Jonii comments on The Presumptuous Philosopher's Presumptuous Friend - Less Wrong

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Comment author: taw 06 October 2009 10:42:38AM 0 points [-]

By trivial argument (of the kind employed in algorithm complexity analysis and cryptography) that you can just toss a coin or do mental equivalent of it, any guaranteed probability nontrivially >.5, even by a ridiculously small margin, is impossible to achieve. Probability against a random human is entirely irrelevant - what Omega must do is probability against the most uncooperative human being nontrivially >.5, as you can choose to be maximally uncooperative if you wish to.

If we force determinism (what is cheating already), disable free will (as in ability to freely choose our answer only at the point we have to), and let Omega see our brain, it basically means that we have to decide before Omega, and have to tell Omega what we decided, what reverses causality, and collapses it into "Choose 1 or 2 boxes. Based on your decision Omega chooses what to put in them".

From the linked Wikipedia article:

More recent work has reformulated the problem as a noncooperative game in which players set the conditional distributions in a Bayes net. It is straight-forward to prove that the two strategies for which boxes to choose make mutually inconsistent assumptions for the underlying Bayes net. Depending on which Bayes net one assumes, one can derive either strategy as optimal. In this there is no paradox, only unclear language that hides the fact that one is making two inconsistent assumptions.

Some argue that Newcomb's Problem is a paradox because it leads logically to self-contradiction. Reverse causation is defined into the problem and therefore logically there can be no free will. However, free will is also defined in the problem; otherwise the chooser is not really making a choice.

That's basically it. It's ill-defined, and any serious formalization collapses it into either "you choose first, so one box", or "Omega chooses first, so two box" trivial problems.

Comment author: Jonii 06 October 2009 10:38:20PM 0 points [-]

Free will is not imcompatible with Omega predicting your actions(Well, unless Omega delibrately manipulates your actions based on that predictive power, but it's outside the scope of this paradox), and Omega doesn't even need to see inside your head, just observe your behavior until it thinks it can predict your decisions with high accuracy only based on the input that you have received. Omega doesn't need to be 100% accurate anyway, only do better than 99,9%. Determinism is also not required, for the same reason.(Though yeah, you could toss a quantum coin to make the odds 50-50, but this seems a bit uninteresting case. Omega could predict that you select either at 50% chance, and thus you lose on average about 750 000$ every time Omega makes this offer to you.)

So basically, where we disagree is that Omega can choose first and you'd still have to one-box, since Omega knows the factors that correlate with your decision at high probability. Without breaking causality, without messing with free will and even without requiring determinism.