wedrifid comments on Let them eat cake: Interpersonal Problems vs Tasks - Less Wrong

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Comment author: komponisto 10 October 2009 06:11:09PM *  3 points [-]

My position? Let's remember what Alicorn said:

It's the mental leap from "aw, I feel bad that you are having trouble selling your product" to "aw, someone should take pity on you to the point of buying your product" that presents the problem....That kind of thinking scares the crap out of me, because that is the kind of thinking that leads to various evil behaviors up to and including rape.

My position, if position I have, is that Alicorn is wrong to be frightened by that line of thinking. In general (that is, not necessarily with regard to sex), it's a perfectly reasonable leap to make, whether or not we ourselves would make it. Compare:

-Person to beggar: "Aw, I feel bad that you have trouble obtaining money." => "Aw, someone should give you money"/"Aw, people should give more to charity".

In a case like that, we don't usually consider the drawing of that implication to be dangerous or frightening. We may consider it incorrect, for example if we think that giving money to beggars has a net negative impact on society; but even so we usually consider the person making the leap a (misguided) bleeding-heart liberal, not a promoter of "evil behaviors, up to and including armed robbery".

Now, what I would want to fight against, so to speak, is the imposition of a taboo on making analogous arguments in the realm of sex (presumably because of a special human anxiety about that subject). Let those arguments be right or wrong, let the analogy hold or fail to hold, let sex be different or the same; but the thoughts should not be discouraged from being spoken.

Do I really need to defend myself beyond this?

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Comment author: DanArmak 10 October 2009 06:40:32PM 2 points [-]

For the original discussion about taboos, I agree completely. My requests for proof were about komponisto's comment that

My claim is simply that participants in this forum are statistically unlikely to be dangerous people.

That was in the other subthread so perhaps this is my fault for replying to the wrong comment. The two threads have been referencing each other quite a lot though.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 October 2009 07:08:08PM *  3 points [-]

Thanks for that clarification. It seems the more Kompo refines these claims the less I agree with them.

I would argue that people on this forum are significantly more likely to be dangerous. For my part I consider myself to be far more resourceful than the average person and would take offence at a claim that I am not dangerous. Furthermore, I suggest the people here are much more likely to form their morals for reasons other than whatever works best in their social environment. That more or less means "off the rails".

Comment author: komponisto 10 October 2009 07:26:17PM 2 points [-]

I would argue that people on this forum are significantly more likely to be dangerous

Maybe you're right. But, as I indicated elsewhere, I don't think that that was the most important issue. I'm more interested in the censorship/taboo discussion.