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Comment author: SilasBarta 12 October 2009 08:12:11PM 3 points [-]

Most of those purchases from telemarketers are species of akrasia: they don't want to buy, but they feel impolite saying no. They would prefer the calls not happen in the first place, unlike women, who do prefer males to initiate some relationships with them.

And I'm not sure you're using the term "sexual attention" correctly. It doesn't mean "offer/request for sex"; in this context, it just means any approach with romantic intentions that could ultimately lead to sex. To not want sexual attention means to not want any romantic partner, at least where you are not the initiator.

So I don't think that's a relevant observation to my point.

Speaking of your unusual perceptions of the ordinary case, were you really serious when claiming that you see a 50/50 female split in playing Magic and at rpg conventions? You must be the only one in the world who sees this!

Comment author: thomblake 12 October 2009 09:11:16PM 0 points [-]

You must be the only one in the world who sees this

Well I don't think I'm that bad of an observer, but I'd believe it's possible that people in the gaming groups / conventions I go to are the only ones that see this.

Comment author: SilasBarta 12 October 2009 09:14:06PM 1 point [-]

And the photographers at the same conventions all simultaneously taking unrepresentative samples, and the people who blog about these same conventions being poor observers, and you counting booth babes as attendees with whom a characteristic rpg lover has a realistic chance of a meaningful relationship...

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 12 October 2009 09:21:06PM 2 points [-]

Empirical test: Look for (SFW) photographs of reasonably randomly distributed groups (e.g. audiences, hallways) at a convention, post the first three samples found.

Comment author: AllanCrossman 12 October 2009 09:56:16PM *  4 points [-]

Eliezer asks so I deliver (MtG conventions):

http://www.collectorsquest.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/magic_nationals_2008_player.jpg

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/events/pthon09/Players.jpg

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/events/usnat09/SF_AndersonGindey2.jpg

This is cherry-picked slightly - I ignored some pics with relatively low numbers of people, and some pics that looked like they weren't in the U.S. (but these had few females in attendance too).

Comment author: SilasBarta 12 October 2009 10:27:38PM 2 points [-]

Thomblake only made claims about MtG players and RPG conventions; he specifically excluded MtG competitions.

In the future, please don't make me have to defend Thom ;-)

Comment author: AllanCrossman 12 October 2009 11:13:15PM *  3 points [-]

Again I have failed. Actually I'm not sure I know what an RPG convention is...

OK, some results of a Google image search for "RPG convention crowd":

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 13 October 2009 12:15:19AM 2 points [-]

It would appear, based on this preliminary evidence, that reality is backing SilasBarta on this one.

Comment author: thomblake 13 October 2009 01:20:07AM 2 points [-]

I figured I'd do the same, but for conventions I actually go to. But it appears there are no pictures for Omnicon or Anonycon (the latter of which apparently means something different in the Internet at large). Group photos from Connecticon are easier to come by, but they have their own issues: (first three group images searching for "Connecticon photos" (no quotes))

http://media.photobucket.com/image/connecticon%20photos/systermatic_erorr/Connecticon%202009/Hetalia%20Cosplay/GroupShot.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3232/2737005806_b8caaa5548.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image/connecticon%20photos/animegeer/connecticon%2008/connecticon08104.jpg

I have no idea, looking at these photos, what the gender ratio is.

Comment author: taryneast 31 December 2013 07:04:10AM *  0 points [-]

To add a single point of anecdotal evidence - as a geeky girl with a history of going to conventions (though I haven't gone to one in a while - I joined the SCA instead) - it really depends on the convention.

I've seen quite a few that have much more balanced gender ratios than in the past (though not quite 50/50). Again, this is from purely anecdotal evidence - but it is my impression that those that involve cosplay or SF media/books are often more female-involved (and the photos thomblake has provided seem to imply that Connecticon may be one of these).

Since I moved to the SCA the gender balance has improved markedly - the SCA is pretty much 50/50 because it has a really wide range of geeky/history/cosplay/martial-arts/crafts activities. Variety helps...

I've found in my own experience that conventions that have a wide variety often have a higher gender balance. eg Swancon in Perth (Western Australia) has a good gender balance (on average) as does Supanova - both of which have a huge range and variety of activities...

Comment author: thomblake 13 October 2009 12:39:36AM *  0 points [-]

booth babes

Yep, none of the conventions I go to have booth babes, that I've seen.

Though I realized I was counting "Anime conventions" and "multigenre conventions" in my mental picture of "rpg conventions" so that might unduly influence my estimate.