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Comment author: ChristianKl 13 October 2009 11:35:21PM -1 points [-]

The reason bars bore you, is probably that you lack the social skills. Practice happens to be a way to develop skills.

It boils down to the fact that you aren't willing to pay the price of experiencing some boredom to develop social skills. It simply a silly constraint.

As Christian Szegedy wrote above, bars where there's partner dancing such as Salsa, Swing or Tango are probably the best way.

You even have a lot of precedural stuff to keep your mind occupied (not feel boredom) when you concentrate on dancing stuff.

In some sense a lot of people feel that they need the procedural stuff to be able to train social skills without getting bored.

Freakonomics had a section where they came to the conclusion that good parenting isn't about what actions a parent completes but about what kind of a person the parent happens to be.

Exposure to social interactions changes yourself. If you happen to lack social skills it means that you have to go out of your comfort zone. It your choice whether you are willing to pay the price.

Comment author: thomblake 13 October 2009 11:58:36PM 8 points [-]

The reason bars bore you, is probably that you lack the social skills.

That seems like an odd hypothesis. "Bored" is not how I describe my emotional state when I'm engaging in some activity for which I lack skill.

For my part, I find bars boring because there's nothing entertaining to do there. I don't even see how people have interesting social interactions in them; most bars I've been to have been very loud, and the people have been drinking excessively, such that one cannot even have an interesting conversation. But then, my hearing is terrible in loud places, so YMMV.

Comment author: ChristianKl 29 October 2009 09:59:31AM *  0 points [-]

If you lack good social skills the amount you talk while you are in bars is lower than it would be if you have good skills. If you talk less there's more time to be bored.

If you dance more you are also less likely to be bored.

Comment author: blacktrance 02 January 2014 07:33:04PM 0 points [-]

The reason bars bore you, is probably that you lack the social skills. Practice happens to be a way to develop skills.

Not the grandparent commenter, but bars bore me because I don't find socializing with strangers in a bar setting to be particularly interesting. For me, it'd be like riding a unicycle - something I don't know how to do, but I can tell I wouldn't enjoy that much anyway

Comment author: [deleted] 02 January 2014 08:44:15PM 0 points [-]

Not the grandparent commenter, but bars bore me because I don't find socializing with strangers in a bar setting to be particularly interesting.

What about going there with people you already know?

Comment author: blacktrance 02 January 2014 08:57:13PM 0 points [-]

If I want to spend time with them, a bar is far from the optimal place to do it.

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 January 2014 08:25:46PM 0 points [-]

The post you quote doesn't advocate going there for the purpose of enjoyment but to achieve secondary objectives.

If you have a goal, and path A to the goal is boring, that doesn't mean that going down path A is automatically out of question.

You might find a better path than A, but if A is the only thing you are left with, go down A even if it's boring if it brings you towards your goal.

Comment author: MugaSofer 02 January 2014 07:12:50PM *  0 points [-]

The reason bars bore you, is probably that you lack the social skills.

Well ... huh. That's a catch-22 for you, isn't it?

(Yeah, you're probably right. Although I guess the grandparent is the only one who can confirm this.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 January 2014 07:35:53PM 0 points [-]

It's been a while since I wrote the post. But the main point was that if you want to improve skills it's usually helpful to engage in activities that bore you or are in some other way uncomfortable.

Comment author: MugaSofer 02 January 2014 07:51:53PM -1 points [-]

Oh, indeed. I was just agreeing with that small section.