PhilGoetz comments on Is cryonics necessary?: Writing yourself into the future - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 24 June 2010 04:17:55AM 1 point [-]

I find it deeply weird that nobody has pointed out that the information describing you, written as prose, is not conscious. This is a major drawback. The OP mentioned it, and dared people to take him/her up on it, and nobody did.

I attribute this to a majority of people on LW taking Dennett's position on consciousness, which is basically to try to pretend that it doesn't exist, and that being a materialist means believing that there is no "qualia problem".

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 24 June 2010 05:25:11AM *  10 points [-]

I don't follow. The OP didn't claim that just having the written information would be enough. They were saying that the information could be used to build a copy of you. The prose might not be conscious, but the copy would be.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 27 June 2010 05:09:39AM 2 points [-]

Oops, you're right.

Comment author: ocr-fork 24 June 2010 04:37:09AM 4 points [-]

Is a vitrified brain conscious?

Comment author: cousin_it 24 June 2010 10:51:17AM *  -2 points [-]

No idea. We haven't yet revived any vitrified brains and asked them whether they experience personal continuity with their pre-vitrification selves. The answer could turn out either way.

Comment author: ocr-fork 24 June 2010 04:35:24PM 5 points [-]

They remember being themselves, so they'd say "yes."

I think the OP thinks being cryogenically frozen is like taking a long nap, and being reconstructed from your writings is like being replaced. This is true, but only because the reconstruction would be very inaccurate, not because a lump of cold fat in a jar is intrinsically more conscious than a book. A perfect reconstruction would be just as good as being frozen. When I asked if a vitrified brain was conscious I meant "why do you think a vitrified brain is conscious if a book isn't."

Comment author: cousin_it 25 June 2010 12:55:49PM *  1 point [-]

They remember being themselves

You don't know that until you've actually done the experiment. Some parts of memory may be "passive" - encoded in the configuration of neurons and synapses - while other parts may be "active", dynamically encoded in the electrical stuff and requiring constant maintenance by a living brain. To take an example we understand well, turning a computer off and on again loses all sorts of information, including its "thread of consciousness".

EDIT: I just looked it up and it seems this comment has a high chance of being wrong. People have been known to come to life after having a (mostly) flat EEG for hours, e.g. during deep anaesthesia. Sorry.