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Fair point about missing the context on my part, and I should have done better, since I rip on others when they do the same -- just ask Z M Davis!
Still, if this is what's going on here -- if you think rejection of your ontology forces you into one of two unpalatable positions, one represented by Robin_Hanson, and the other by Psychohistorian -- then this rock-and-a-hard-place problem of identity should have been in your main post to show what the problem is, and I can't infer that issue from reading it.
Again, nothing in the standard LW handling requires you to disbelieve in any of those things, at the subjective level; it's just that they are claimed to arise from more fundamental phenomena.
Then I'm lost: normally, the reason to propose e.g. a completely new ontology is to eliminate a confusion from the beginning, thereby enhancing your ability to achieve useful insights. But you're position is: buy into my ontology, even though it's completely independent of your ability to find out how consciousness works. That's even worse than a fake explanation!
I think you're misunderstanding the Drescher analogy I described. The gensyms don't map to our terms for color, or classifications for color; they map to our phenomenal experience of color. That is, the distinctiveness of experiencing red, as differentiated from other aspects of your consciousness, is like the distinctiveness of several generated symbols within a program.
The program is able to distinguish between gensyms, but the comparison of their labels across different program instances is not meaningful. If that's not a problem in need of a solution, neither should qualia be, since qualia can be viewed as the phenomenon of being able to distinguish between different data structures, as seen from the inside.
(To put it another way, your experience of color has be different enough so that you don't treat color data as sound data.)
I emphasize that Drescher has not "closed the book" on the issue; there's still work to be done. But you can see how qualia can be approached within the reductionist ontology espoused here.