MichaelVassar comments on Anticipation vs. Faith: At What Cost Rationality? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 13 October 2009 01:26:07AM 15 points [-]

Does anyone value rationality for its own sake, enough to give up anticipation if it turns out to be irrational, purely on intellectual grounds?

You don't make a conscious decision to give up something like that, if it needs giving up. You learn more, see that what you once thought was sense was in fact nonsense, and in the moment of realization, you have already lost that which you never had. Really this is the wrong way to phrase the question: you should properly ask, "If the idea of anticipation is complete nonsense and all our thoughts about it are mere helpless clinging to our own confusion, would you rather know what was really going on?" and to this I answer "Yes."

If someone offered to tell me the Real Story, saying, "Once you learn the Real Story, you will lose your grasp of that which you once called 'anticipation'; the concept will dissolve, and you will find it difficult to remember why you ever once believed such a notion could be coherent; just as you once lost 'time'," I would indeed reply "Tell me, tell me!"

Comment author: MichaelVassar 16 October 2009 09:49:28PM 0 points [-]

I'd like to vote this up several times.

Comment author: Wei_Dai 16 October 2009 11:07:52PM 3 points [-]

Can you explain why? I personally can't get used to this writing style, and it took me a few hours to figure out what Eliezer was getting at. I also don't understand why he chose to use a tone of high confidence, on something that he has rather flimsy evidence about.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 16 October 2009 11:34:56PM 1 point [-]

If you spent hours to figure out what something meant, it's probably worth writing it out in your own words. At least it should help people who find the first style natural understand and communicate with you.

Comment author: Wei_Dai 16 October 2009 11:50:46PM 2 points [-]

I did. See here.