loqi comments on Quantifying ethicality of human actions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: loqi 14 October 2009 12:46:24AM 1 point [-]

Wtf? I'm not an expert in Islamic or Feminist economics but... they reject the law of the excluded middle? They deny that all propositions are either true or not true? Maybe there is a keen insight here, if so someone explain it to me.

I could be mistaken, but I think that's just imported postmodern claptrap: "Truth is relative. What's true for me might not be true for someone else. Therefore some propositions are both true and not true." Not exactly keen or insightful.

Comment author: thomblake 14 October 2009 01:07:05AM 2 points [-]

No, there are good reasons to reject the law of excluded middle other than that particular flavor of relativism. I think the jury's still out on whether anything of worth can come out of paraconsistent logic (or intuitionism that disallows the law for infinite sets, or other such logics) but trying to reject the principle of explosion and resolving the liar's paradox seem like the sorts of things a professional logician might reasonably spend time on.

Comment author: loqi 14 October 2009 02:18:04AM *  0 points [-]

I completely agree. But do you think it's reasonable for economists to reject the results of other economists on the grounds that the result depends on the law of the excluded middle?

Comment author: Jack 14 October 2009 02:34:47AM 2 points [-]

Speaking for myself, I wouldn't have a problem with an intuitionist/constructivist economist who rejected the formal deductive validity of proof that relied on the LoXM. But it wouldn't follow from that that the predictions the other economist were wrong, and frankly thats the criteria by which economic theories should be evaluated anyway since perfect deductive validity isn't important when your axioms aren't always true either.

As a point of historical curiosity, I'd be interested to know if there ever was an explicitly constructivist economist.

Comment author: thomblake 14 October 2009 01:14:54PM 0 points [-]

Does this guy count?

Comment author: Jack 14 October 2009 05:48:27PM 1 point [-]
Comment author: Johnicholas 14 October 2009 08:43:20PM 3 points [-]

Of course there are. If I understand the abstract correctly, this paper argues for a particular formalization of game theory (often a branch of economics) on the grounds that the players (intuitionistically) play strategies that are computable from only a bounded amount of lookahead.

www.math.wisc.edu/~lempp/conf/wroc/stecher.pdf

Comment author: Jack 14 October 2009 10:21:03PM 0 points [-]

Not sure that justifies an "Of course there are", but very nice find.

Comment author: Johnicholas 14 October 2009 10:29:55PM 0 points [-]

Rule 34!

If I couldn't find one, I'd have been compelled to become one.

Comment author: thomblake 15 October 2009 01:43:04PM 2 points [-]

Rule 34

Please, no constructivist economics porn. It's bad enough there's that Austrian school slashfic.