Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Rationality Quotes: October 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 22 October 2009 04:13:58PM 10 points [-]

I've never seen a UFO. When I went to places that were rumored to be haunted, nothing showed up. Two hours of intense staring didn't make my pencil move a single millimeter, and glaring at my classmate's head didn't reveal his thoughts to me, either. I couldn't help but get depressed at how normal the laws of physics were.

-- Kyon, The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi

Comment author: SilasBarta 22 October 2009 04:25:25PM *  2 points [-]

I've never seen a UFO.

Wow! He's been able to identify every flying object he's ever seen? Must be a boring fellow when stargazing!

I think he means he's never seen an alien spaceship...

Comment author: AllanCrossman 22 October 2009 07:10:03PM 1 point [-]

Must be a boring fellow when stargazing!

I'm not sure stars can be called "flying objects".

Comment author: SilasBarta 22 October 2009 07:29:41PM *  3 points [-]

Well, you can't quite know if a skyward light is something flying near earth until you've identified it, can you? :-)

Comment author: AllanCrossman 22 October 2009 08:44:54PM 0 points [-]

Mmm. You can usually tell that something's a celestial object, and thus not a flying object, without being able to classify it further...

Comment author: SilasBarta 22 October 2009 08:48:29PM *  3 points [-]

You've identified it in the relevant sense for the purposes for which the UFO classification was created.

Yikes, too much nesting!

The Air Force (or whatever) invented the classification UFO for an object they don't yet know how to respond to because of the current inability to identify it. Knowing that something is a far-off celestial object is sufficient identification in this context, making it no longer a UFO. [/pedant]

Bumper sticker: "UFOs are real; the Air Force doesn't exist!"

ETA: wait, that contradicts my original point. You know, just forget this last comment. Stars count as flying. They travel without touching a planet's ground. Deal with it. ;-)

Comment author: komponisto 22 October 2009 07:02:26PM 0 points [-]

Thank you.

Comment author: wedrifid 23 October 2009 02:55:23AM 1 point [-]

Two hours of intense staring didn't make my pencil move a single millimetre

Well of course not, you read far too many books for that to still work!

Comment author: gwern 22 October 2009 09:45:51PM 1 point [-]

So, in Haruhi, does Egan's law apply? Does it all add up to normality? :)

Comment author: Nominull 22 October 2009 10:25:56PM 2 points [-]

Are you aware of the anthropic principle?

Comment author: gwern 22 October 2009 10:52:06PM 1 point [-]

Yes; don't see how it applies.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 October 2009 05:31:21AM 1 point [-]

It's another quote. No, Haruhi's world does not add up to normality.

Comment author: CannibalSmith 22 October 2009 09:40:57PM *  0 points [-]

Speaking of Haruhi, should I consume it in animated or text form? (If animated, what order?)

Comment author: gwern 23 October 2009 02:39:01PM *  1 point [-]

I'd second Eliezer. You must start with animated, and watch it in Haruhi order. There is a very good reason that Kyoani broadcast it that way, and it improves on the novels in other respects.

(I withhold any assessment of season 2, however, because of Endless Eight; you may choose as you will whether to watch the anime or just read the Baka Tsuki fan translations.)

Comment author: CannibalSmith 23 October 2009 02:53:40PM *  0 points [-]

Because of Endless Eight? What about them?

My original intention was to wait for the pirates to finish plundering the 2009 version and watch that.

Comment author: gwern 23 October 2009 03:50:44PM 0 points [-]

Because of Endless Eight? What about them?

Some people are insulted enough by them they prefer to not watch season 2 at all.

Comment author: CannibalSmith 25 October 2009 02:33:30PM *  -1 points [-]

Adaptation decay? Discontinuity? Ah, yes, there it is (scroll to bottom)! Thanks for the heads up.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 October 2009 05:30:37AM 1 point [-]

This may be the only Japanese work of which I honestly couldn't say, but on the whole, I'd guess animated first.

Comment author: CannibalSmith 23 October 2009 02:56:48PM 0 points [-]

First? Are you implying that I should go through both ultimately? If yes, why?