PeterS comments on Rationality Quotes: October 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PeterS 22 October 2009 07:09:39PM *  7 points [-]

Dear Meg,

Please don't try to trisect the angle. . . It's not a matter of being clever.

Ian Stewart, Letters to a Young Mathematician

Comment author: RobinZ 22 October 2009 08:23:52PM 7 points [-]

I don't know if I like this one. One ought to try some things, if for no other reason to learn which sources of information are reliable.

Comment author: SilasBarta 22 October 2009 09:03:17PM 3 points [-]

What's even worse is trying to get that message to happen.

I confess, in my early internet days, I thought I figured out how to trisect an angle, and sent a sketch of it to a random math prof in Canada, asking for a prompt reply.

And you know what? I didn't get one! Probably the most polite reply one could reasonably expect.

Comment author: gwern 31 October 2009 08:31:26PM 0 points [-]

There are ways to trisect the angle; did your method break the rules and use one of them, or was it just wrong?

Comment author: SilasBarta 31 October 2009 11:54:08PM 0 points [-]

It was just wrong.

Comment author: Technologos 31 October 2009 08:51:30PM 0 points [-]

I think he meant that he tried to trisect an angle in general, by construction; this has been proven impossible.

Comment author: Technologos 31 October 2009 08:53:15PM 0 points [-]

Which is perhaps what you meant by "break the rules" (of construction), by using a marked ruler, for instance.

Comment author: gwern 01 November 2009 02:10:34PM 1 point [-]

Right. There are some constructions like Archimedes's use of a marked ruler (which is covered, actually, in the 'Means to trisect angles by going outside the Greek framework' section) which work correctly & are not immediately obviously breaking the rules. So I had to ask before I could know whether he had broken the rules or broken his proof (if you follow me).

Comment author: Alicorn 01 November 2009 02:40:01PM 1 point [-]

Couldn't you trisect a right angle by making an equilateral triangle with one of the right angle's lines for a side, then bisecting that angle of the triangle? It wouldn't generalize to other angles, but you wouldn't need a ruler.

Comment author: cousin_it 01 November 2009 04:01:34PM 3 points [-]

Of course you can trisect some angles, just not all of them. For example, you can't trisect the angle of an equilateral triangle (60 degrees).

Comment author: gwern 02 November 2009 04:25:17AM 1 point [-]

Just like you can solve the Halting Problem - for particular Turing Machines. The interesting impossibility results are always general.

Comment author: cousin_it 02 November 2009 10:05:49AM *  0 points [-]

The analogy isn't perfect because the halting problem can in principle be solved for each particular machine, but trisection can't be solved for each particular angle.

Comment author: CronoDAS 23 October 2009 04:45:55AM 1 point [-]

It's easy to trisect an angle. Just use a protractor. ;)