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Comment author: JamesAndrix 03 November 2009 05:37:16AM 4 points [-]

the money pump is just a little more demonstrable than the devil.

I've asked this before: Why don't rationalist run money pumps?

As far as I know, none of us are exploiting biases or irrationality for profit in any systematic way, which is itself irrational if we really believe this is an option.

We're either an incredibly ethical group, or money pumping isn't as easy as it would seem from reading the research.

Comment author: SilasBarta 03 November 2009 11:42:35AM 2 points [-]

I've asked this before: Why don't rationalist run money pumps?

I think you've answered your own question. Let me elaborate:

1) Rationalists significantly overestimate people's vulnerability to money pumps, often based on mistaken views about how e.g. religious irrationality "must" spill over into other areas.

2) Even if you don't care about ethics, scamming people will just make the population more suspicious of people claiming mastery of rationalist ideas.

Comment author: gwern 04 November 2009 12:49:58AM 2 points [-]

To elaborate your elaboration:

To do money pumping on a grand scale, you have to be in the financial markets; but there are no money pumps there which aren't being busily pumped away. ('Bears make money, bulls make money; pigs get slaughtered'.) This is true for pumps like casinos, too - lots of competition.

And most ways to make a money pump in other areas have been outlawed or are regulated; working money pumps like Swoopo (see http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001196.html ) are usually walking a fine line.