StefanPernar comments on Open Thread: November 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: StefanPernar 17 November 2009 04:01:45AM *  -2 points [-]

With unobjectionable values I mean those that would not automatically and eventually lead to one's extinction. Or more precisely: a utility function becomes irrational when it is intrinsically self limiting in the sense that it will eventually lead to ones inability to generate further utility. Thus my suggested utility function of 'ensure continued co-existence'

This utility function seems to be the only one that does not end in the inevitable termination of the maximizer.

Comment author: wedrifid 17 November 2009 08:14:02AM 2 points [-]

This utility function seems to be the only one that does not end in the inevitable termination of the maximizer.

Not really. You don't need to co-exist with anything if you out-compete them then turn their raw materials into paperclips.

Comment author: timtyler 17 November 2009 07:57:32AM *  1 point [-]

The fate of a maximiser depends a great deal on its strength relative to other maximisers. It's utility function is not the only issue - and maximisers with any utility function can easily be eaten by other, more powerful maximisers.

If you look at biology, replicators have survived so far for billions of years with other utility functions. Do you really think biology is "ensuring continued co-existence" - rather than doing the things described in my references? If so, why do you think that? - the view doesn't seem to make any sense.