JulianMorrison comments on Raising the Sanity Waterline - Less Wrong

112 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 12 March 2009 04:28AM

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Comment author: JulianMorrison 12 March 2009 10:05:37AM 16 points [-]

Unrepresentative sample. Nobody would start reading OB unless they were already at least a rationalist-wannabe.

Comment author: Swimmy 12 March 2009 05:47:04PM 4 points [-]

I started reading OB because I liked Robin Hanson as an economist. I continued reading because I liked Yudkowsky as a writer. I agree I'm still part of an unrepresentative sample (people who are willing to read and consider Yudkowsky's long ramblings), but not everyone found the site because of an interest in rationality per se.

Unfortunately, anyone taking a college course probably would be interested in rationality qua rationality. But the lessons are still valuable for those poor souls who, like I once was, are still religious despite it. The same for those who are religious fence-sitters.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 12 March 2009 08:00:06PM 1 point [-]

You were de-converted? Interesting. What clinched it?

Comment author: Swimmy 12 March 2009 11:07:59PM *  4 points [-]

I left a comment about it here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/2/tell_your_rationalist_origin_story/45#comments

Long story short, OB helped a lot.

Comment author: AnnaSalamon 12 March 2009 10:21:55AM *  8 points [-]

I agree about the unrepresentative sample. It would be interesting to try teaching OB in a small class-sized four-credit college seminar, with a follow-up a year later, to see if the material can be presented so as to have impact on ordinary university students, or on ordinary students at a selective university. Probably worthwhile as an experiment, after we do some more basic research seeing if we can detect this "rationality" thing in a survey or something of the OB readership (so we'd know what to test for).

But even given that OB is starting with all or mostly rationalist wannabes, I'm surprised at the impact its had on my and others' thinking, relative to what happens to rationalist wannabes who don't read OB, or who aren't members of this community.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 12 March 2009 11:49:33AM 5 points [-]

I'd be interested in trying to drag the age range down as low as possible - could 13-year-olds handle uncut OB? I think yes.

I can only speak for myself here, but personally what changed my thinking after reading OB was understanding both how things work, and why they necessarily must be that way and no other. Now when I think about that, I realize it allowed me to completely prune many search trees and redirect a lot of wasted effort "sitting on fences".