Vladimir_Nesov comments on Raising the Sanity Waterline - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DaveInNYC 23 January 2010 10:30:11PM 1 point [-]

I have wondered for many years what a good alternative would be, and have not been able to come up with one. Now that in itself doesn't mean anything; just because I can't think of one does not mean there isn't one. But given the antipathy of most on this site to religion (as evidenced by my comment getting dinged 4 times for merely suggesting that religion, though irrational, may be socially beneficial), I would think there would be posts upon posts explaining better alternatives. I have not seen them.

It seems to me that many rationalists hate religion so much, that they are loathe to admit it has any benefits at all, even if those benefits have NOTHING to do with the original reason for the loathing. It reminds me of a few years ago when someone said something to the effect of "Hitler's army had great uniforms" (I don't remember the exact details). Of course, the person had to end up apologizing a million times over, lost her job, etc. even though she was in no way endorsing Hitler's horrendous actions.

Again, I am not even saying that religion is necessarily worth keeping. But the unquestioned assumption that it would be desirable to get rid of it does not seem to get a lot of scrutiny around here.

Comment author: Alicorn 23 January 2010 10:37:05PM *  5 points [-]

We think that religions are false, and a shared priority of Less Wrong denizens is to believe things that are true instead. I'll readily admit that religion has some good effects. Many people find it comforting; it's inspired great works of art and music and architecture; it does a lot of work to funnel money to charitable causes, some of which are very helpful; it encourages community-building; and it has historically served as a cultural touchstone to enable the development of some very powerful iconography and tropes.

It's still false.

If you like the good things about religion, there are alternatives (although most of them only work piecemeal). For instance, there's Ethical Culture, which fills in the community gap a departing religion can leave.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 23 January 2010 10:55:20PM *  -1 points [-]

It's still false.

He didn't claim that religion isn't false.

Comment author: Alicorn 23 January 2010 10:57:25PM 0 points [-]

I didn't say that he so claimed.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 23 January 2010 10:59:38PM -1 points [-]

Yes you didn't, but the discussion is at cross-purposes.