DanArmak comments on Hamster in Tutu Shuts Down Large Hadron Collider - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 06 November 2009 08:16:50PM *  0 points [-]

Even assuming the anthropic black-hole explanation, wouldn't we be able to run a collider off-planet somewhere? And once humans had reliably settled outside Earth and were self-sufficient there, we could run one on Earth as well.

Actually if such we believe such a theory, it affords us a sort of ensoul-ness or Buddha-nature test. Does our latest A.I. creation have a soul/consciousness/cosmic transcendental thingy? We'll put it on the Moon to observe and run the collider down here, and if we finally succeed this time (and destroy the Earth), the AI was considered worthy by the Anthropic Principle of carrying on our legacy.

Edit: we'd have to rename it though. The All-Conscious Principle?

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 06 November 2009 09:45:31PM *  9 points [-]

Actually if such we believe such a theory, it affords us a sort of ensoul-ness or Buddha-nature test. Does our latest A.I. creation have a soul/consciousness/cosmic transcendental thingy? We'll put it on the Moon to observe and run the collider down here, and if we finally succeed this time (and destroy the Earth), the AI was considered worthy by the Anthropic Principle of carrying on our legacy.

That's not how it works; the principle is that I will always observe that I survive.

Comment author: DanArmak 06 November 2009 10:20:56PM 1 point [-]

Er, you're right; I managed to confuse the anthropic principle with quantum immortality somehow.

Comment author: Jack 06 November 2009 10:38:55PM 4 points [-]

No. I think maybe you conflated the anthropic principle/Quantum immortality with the Copenhagen interpretation of QM. Whether or not someone else observes you has nothing to do with anthropics or QI.

Comment author: DanArmak 06 November 2009 10:46:54PM 4 points [-]

I think right now I may be conflating day and night, or sleeping and awakening. I'd better refrain from posting more until I rest...

Comment author: CannibalSmith 10 November 2009 10:49:01AM *  3 points [-]

If we put the LHC on the moon, we would (probably) see the moon destroyed, but the moon people would still see LHC fail inexplicably again and again.

In fact, there might be some branch now where the people aboard the International Space Station are now the last surviving humans.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 13 November 2009 04:23:59AM 3 points [-]

In fact, there might be some branch now where the people aboard the International Space Station are now the last surviving humans.

Destruction by strangelet or black hole would probably be violent enough to destroy the ISS...

...still, that's the most disturbing idea I've encountered in a while. Congratulations.

Comment author: Document 26 January 2011 07:22:31AM 2 points [-]

TV Tropes currently has a page about that scenario under "But What About The Astronauts?", but the plausible connection to real life does add extra disturbance.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 06 November 2009 10:25:45PM 2 points [-]

But the principle of quantum immortality is also that I will always observe that I survive. Actually, I'm not sure whether/how AP and QI differ in meaning in cases like this. (AP is about retrospective explanation, while QI is about anticipation?)

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 06 November 2009 10:36:32PM *  2 points [-]

Then you should just build an AI worthy of being you.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 06 November 2009 08:21:32PM 1 point [-]

Yes, but not under the anthropic quantum-vacuum-collapse explanation.

Comment author: DanArmak 06 November 2009 08:30:06PM 1 point [-]

Oh good, then we actually can use this to assign meaningful priors to different anthropic explanations? A bit more and I may actually start accepting anthropic explanations as real theories :-)