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The experience of a subjective thread of consciousness - let's call it STC - is pretty much the experience of experience, or qualia. So Chalmers' experiment is apt.
The relevant fact is that STC is purely subjective. The reason I think you and everyone else have STCs is because you say you do, and it's a simpler hypothesis than the one saying I'm different from everyone else. But the reason I think I have an STC is completely different: I know it from direct experience, which is pretty much by definition incontrovertible. (I may be mistaken about the real world, my experience may not match reality, I may even have false memories, but I can't be literally mistaken about what I'm experiencing right now. Unless you suppose I constantly have false memories of the last half-second and that the induction hypothesis is therefore inapplicable to subjective experience.)
So yes, I can imagine a universe without STCs. By construction, I won't exist in that universe. This is exactly the same question as: can I rule out that no-one else but me in this universe has STCs, or qualia, or consciousness? No, I can't; I can't test the suggestion. But I also can't proceed to the idea that I have no STC, because that would be denying my actual moment-to-moment experience. It would be as pointless as saying I'm colorblind when I'm not.
So to recap, I have no idea how to solve the hard problem of consciousness. I have no idea how to explain the subjective experience and connect it to the objective world, or to test for subjective experiences in somebody else. But I can't pretend consciousness and experience don't exist, either, at least not for me. I hope someone comes along and solves these problems and explains the solution to me - I don't know if this is actually possible, but I hope so - but lack of a solution doesn't make me ignore the problem.
There's a difference between the questions of STC and of qualia. We might live in a universe where you can have multiple causal descendants, each of them related to you-now in the same way that you-now are to you-one-year-ago, and none of them distinct from the others in a morally relevant way. Of course, each of these descendants would go on to experience qualia. The question of whether they have qualia is distinct from the question of whether one of them must be the unique inheritor of your STC.
Well, you can't really. None of us can really imagine a universe. We can imagine a bundle of properties which don't, so far as we can see, contradict each other. But the caveat "so far as we can see" is important.
Yes, you're right. You're describing a "branching thread of consciousness" model. Next, can there be a branching-and-merging model? Does it even make sense to ask the question?
If STC is a purely subjective experience unobservable from the outside, then we can't really count the STCs. We may not be able to actually assert that the number of STCs at time n+1 is greater than at time n. In other words, we don't really know if STCs can branch and/or merge even in our actual universe.