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Comment author: cabalamat 12 November 2009 03:59:43AM *  13 points [-]

What practical policies could politicians enact that would increase overall utility? When I say "practical", I'm specifically ruling out policies that would increase utility but which would be unpopular, since no democratic polity would implement them.

(The background to this question is that I stand a reasonable chance of being elected to the Scottish Parliament in 19 months time).

Comment author: Morendil 12 November 2009 10:14:22AM 4 points [-]

Ruling out unpopular measures is tantamount to giving up on your job as a politician; the equivalent of an individual ruling out any avenues to achieving their goals that require some effort.

Much as rationality in an individual consists of "shutting up and multiplying", i.e. computing which course of action including those we have no taste for yields the highest expected utility, politics - the useful part of it - consists of making necessary policies palatable to the public. The rest is demagoguery.

Comment author: cabalamat 13 November 2009 03:39:14AM *  3 points [-]

Ruling out unpopular measures is tantamount to giving up on your job as a politician

On the contrary, NOT ruling out unpopular measures is tantamount to giving up your job as a politician because, if the measure is unpopular enough (1) you won't get the measure passed in the first place, and (2) you won't get re-elected

the equivalent of an individual ruling out any avenues to achieving their goals that require some effort.

You're saying it's lazy to require that policies be practical. I say that on the contrary it's lazy not to require them to be practical. It's easy to come up with ideas that're a good thing but which can't be practically realised, but it takes more effort to come up with ideas that're a good thing and which can be practically realised. I co-founded Pirate Party UK precisely because I think it's a practical way of getting the state to apply sensible laws to the internet, instead of just going ahead with whatever freedom-destroying nonsense the entertainment industry is coming up this week to prevent "piracy".

computing which course of action including those we have no taste for yields the highest expected utility

Courses of action that can't be implemented yield zero or negative utility.

The rest is demagoguery.

There's an element of truth in that, but I'd put it differently: its the difference between leadership and followership. Politicians in democracies frequently engage in the latter.

Comment author: Thomas 12 November 2009 09:25:18AM 4 points [-]

Free trade. As a politician, you can't do more than that.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 12 November 2009 04:50:10PM 2 points [-]

And open immigration policies

Comment author: cabalamat 13 November 2009 03:12:35AM 1 point [-]

Unlimited immigration clearly fails the practicality test, regardless of whether it's a good thing or not.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 13 November 2009 04:47:51AM 0 points [-]

open != unlimited. But that's a margin that I would push pretty hard, relative to others.

Comment author: cabalamat 13 November 2009 05:42:28AM 0 points [-]

OK I misinterpreted you. What do you mean when you say "open"?

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 13 November 2009 06:12:46AM 1 point [-]

I should have said more open.

Comment author: CronoDAS 12 November 2009 07:22:45AM 0 points [-]

I'd guess that legalizing gay marriage would be pretty low-hanging fruit, but I don't know how politically possible it is.

Comment author: Jess_Riedel 13 November 2009 12:56:36AM *  4 points [-]

It's hard to think of a policy which would have a smaller impact on a smaller fraction of the wealthiest population on earth. And it faces extremely dedicated opposition.

Comment author: CronoDAS 13 November 2009 09:02:46PM *  2 points [-]

Well, I mean "low-hanging fruit" in that it doesn't really cost any money to implement. Symbolism is cheap; providing material benefits is more expensive, especially in developed countries.

I don't know much about the political situation in Scotland; I know about a few miscellaneous stupidities in the U.S. federal government that I'd like to get rid of (abstinence-only sex education, "alternative" medicine research) but I suspect that Scotland and the rest of the U.K. is stupid in different ways than the U.S. is.

Comment author: cabalamat 13 November 2009 03:10:55AM 2 points [-]

Gay marriage is already legal in Scotland, albeit under the name "civil partnership".

Comment author: ciphergoth 13 November 2009 09:03:23AM 0 points [-]

The whole of the UK has civil partnership, not just Scotland. It's also illegal to discriminate on gender attraction in employment and in the provision of goods and services.