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"There are no alien oughts" and "They don't see morality differently from us" - these seem like more bizarre-sounding views on the subject of morality - and it seems especially curious to hear them from the author of the "Baby-Eating Aliens" story.
Look, it's not very complicated: When you see Eliezer write "morality" or "oughts", read it as "human morality" and "human oughts".
Um, that's what I just said: "presumably you are talking about ought<human>".
We were then talking about the meaning of ought<alien>.
There's also the issue of whether to discuss ought<human(2000BC)> and ought<human(2000AD)> - which are evidently quite different - due to the shifting moral zeitgeist.
Well then, I don't understand why you would find statements like "There are no alien [human oughts]" and "They don't see [human morality] differently from us" bizarre-sounding.
Having established EY meant ought<human>, I was asking about ought<alien>.
Maybe you are right - and EY misinterpreted me - and genuinely thought I was asking about ought<human><alien>.
If so, that seems like a rather ridiculous question for me to be asking - and I'm surprised it made it through his sanity checker.
It isn't that simple either. Human morality contains a significant component of trying to coerce other humans into doing things that benefit you. Even on a genetic level humans come with significantly different ways of processing moral thoughts. What is often called 'personality', particularly in the context of 'personality type'.
The translation I find useful is to read it as "Eliezer-would-want". By the definitions Eliezer has given us the two must be identical. (Except, perhaps if Eliezer has for some reason decided to make himself immoral a priori.)