Alicorn comments on Agree, Retort, or Ignore? A Post From the Future - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Wei_Dai 28 November 2009 12:10:01AM *  1 point [-]

I agree completely with your first paragraph. This is what I meant by the ease of ignoring an argument being a distorting effect of online or academic (i.e. paper publishing) conversation. In a real-time conversation or debate, this kind of plausible deniability doesn't exist as an option. I think my suggestion would help remove this plausible deniability and moves the online conversation form closer to real-time conversation.

We need a norm not for stating your last position, which is a burden on the person who has to reply, but for accepting irresponsible declarations

I think this is a good idea. Perhaps it can be implemented by allowing each commenter to set a status with the following options:

  • I request a reply.
  • No reply is necessary.

And having a norm that encourages selecting the second option when appropriate.

This is somewhat in conflict with mental hygiene: you shouldn't normally expose yourself to statements you can't sufficiently verify for yourself, but for this particular problem the balance seems to be in the other direction.

I can't make much sense out of this sentence. I expose myself to statements that I can't verify all the time, just by browsing the web for news and ideas. Do you want to try to restate this... (or not, it doesn't seem central to the issue at hand).

ETA2: Found a link for http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Epistemic_hygiene

Comment author: Alicorn 28 November 2009 12:13:00AM 0 points [-]

I don't think "I request a reply" and "No reply is necessary" is enough statuses. A lot of comment replies invite perfectly reasonable interjection from third parties - does requesting a reply mean you want the parent to answer, or that you're trying to collect lots of data points, or anybody who can answer the question is welcome to do so?

Comment author: Wei_Dai 28 November 2009 12:48:26AM 1 point [-]

I think anybody who can answer the question or point out a flaw in the argument should always be welcome to do so, regardless, but "I request a reply" means the author of the parent should at least set a disagreement status indicator (perhaps with "someone already answered it for me" as an additional option).

"I'm trying to collect lots of data points" seems to be rare enough, that it doesn't need to be an option. You can just say that in the comment.