Douglas_Knight comments on Agree, Retort, or Ignore? A Post From the Future - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 28 November 2009 09:23:43AM *  3 points [-]

In a real-time conversation or debate, this kind of plausible deniability doesn't exist as an option.

It does: you can often change the subject, give a non-answer or even be silent for a few moments and then try to continue the conversation without giving the answer.

  • I request a reply.
  • No reply is necessary.

Not just a reply, but a bare position statement (that's the right term, should also work as a signal for this mode: "My position [statement]: ..."), possibly without explanation.

I can't make much sense out of this sentence.

Does the link to epistemic hygiene (sorry for using a nonstandard term) resolve this misunderstanding? The point is that knowledge about assertions leaks through, biasing intuition about facts (blog:"do we believe everything we're told?", wiki:"Dangerous knowledge"), so it's a bad idea to fill your mind with hypotheses that you have no reason to believe -- it's knowably miscalibrated availability. As a result, observing unexplained assertions is a pointless or sometimes even harmful activity, but in this case it's exactly what is asked of the last-worder.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 28 November 2009 12:43:37PM 1 point [-]

Does the link to epistemic hygiene (sorry for using a nonstandard term) resolve this misunderstanding? The point is that knowledge about assertions leaks through, biasing intuition about facts

No, the link does not help at all. The second quoted sentence is clear, but it doesn't seem remotely like the wiki. If that is what you (and others) mean by the phrase, then you should change the wiki. One difference is that the wiki is written as if it is about specific procedures (hand-washing), while the point here is the problem (hygiene).