Pavitra comments on Friedman on Utility - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Pavitra 23 November 2009 08:13:29AM *  0 points [-]

the best we can do is to allow

the economist is advocating

These constructions deal in should-judgment, implying that the economist, the ethicist, and we are at least attempting to discuss a meta-utility function, even if we don't or can't know what it is.

Wouldn't determining that meta-function be the same question as determining the correct aggregative funciton directly?

Yes.

Just because the question is very, very hard doesn't mean there's no answer.

Comment author: Technologos 23 November 2009 08:27:16AM 1 point [-]

Just because the question is very, very hard doesn't mean there's no answer.

Definitely true. That's why I said "yet?" It may be possible in the future to develop something like a general individual utility function, but we certainly do not have that now.

Perhaps I'm confused. The meta-utility function--isn't that literally identical to the social utility function? Beyond the social function, utilitarianism/consequentialism isn't making tradeoffs--the goal of the whole philosophy is to maximize the utility of some group, and once we've defined that group (a task for which we cannot use a utility function without infinite regress), the rest is a matter of the specific form.

Comment author: Pavitra 23 November 2009 08:48:02AM 0 points [-]

The meta-utility function--isn't that literally identical to the social utility function?

Yes. The problem is that we can't actually calculate with it because the only information we have about it is vague intuitions, some of which may be wrong.

Comment author: Technologos 23 November 2009 11:48:58AM 1 point [-]

If only we were self-modifying intelligences... ;)