Yorick_Newsome comments on Rationality Quotes November 2009 - Less Wrong

8 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 November 2009 11:36PM

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Comment author: Yorick_Newsome 30 November 2009 03:13:45AM *  3 points [-]

I think he was being sarcastic and trying to suggest that the original quote failed to take note that everyone thinks they are immune from those problems, including the person who decided the past was 'wrong' about them. I'm also pretty sure cousin_it is Russian, if that's relevant. The USA thing was just a tasteful addition, the way I see it. I laughed. (His use of an exclamation point and a look at the top contributors list on the right also indicate sarcasm.)

Edit: I agree with Nick below. It was just a joke. Which I enjoyed.

Comment author: anonym 30 November 2009 05:54:59AM 0 points [-]

When I read the original quote, I noted the conspicuous absence of any kind of positive assertion that the speaker is immune from those problems, and I read it as cautioning us against thinking that we are not similarly wrong about some of those very problems and other important problems that we are blind to.

Comment author: Yorick_Newsome 30 November 2009 06:06:38AM 0 points [-]

Did you read it in the context of the atheist blog post Eliezer linked to? I agree that the quote was possibly meant to be cautionary, but I think it was primarily meant to show that believing in things 200 years old is generally not a good idea. Maybe I misunderstood the point of the post, though; the cautionary value is a more useful interpretation for us aspiring rationalists, and 'don't put faith in ancient wisdom' is rather simple advice by comparison. Because of that, context be damned (even if I did interpret it as was meant), I'm going to switch to your interpretation. :)

Comment author: anonym 30 November 2009 06:15:38AM *  2 points [-]

I hadn't clicked through to read the original, but having just done so, I note that the very next paragraph after the given quote is:

Or so we believe. We think we are better informed than they were. Are we? Is our truth more reliable than their truth?

Which doesn't exactly smack of over-confidence and American arrogance to my ear.

ETA: also, from things he said elsewhere in the essay, it seems likely to me that he had in mind more than "a few centuries" in the essay, despite the words in the quote, since he distinguishes again and again between pre-scientific and scientific ways of investigating and understanding the world.

Comment author: Yorick_Newsome 30 November 2009 06:24:09AM 1 point [-]

Oh jeeze, how did I miss that? Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me. About the ETA, I noticed that too, which may be relevant to another discussion I saw nested under the original quotation...