RichardKennaway comments on Rationality Quotes November 2009 - Less Wrong

8 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 November 2009 11:36PM

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Comment author: DanielVarga 06 December 2009 11:14:49PM 3 points [-]

"Construing a rock as conscious via a joke interpretation is paradoxical only insofar as it seems to suggest that we should therefore respect and care about rocks. Resolving the paradox requires a theory of what we are obligated to respect or care about, and why." - Gary Drescher

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 06 December 2009 11:31:55PM 1 point [-]

Disagreed; it also affects anthropic reasoning.

Comment author: DanielVarga 07 December 2009 01:16:32AM 3 points [-]

How is anthropic reasoning affected by the existence of a conscious stone that nobody and nothing can ever communicate with, even in principle? If it is indeed affected, then this says bad things about anthropic reasoning.

But I don't think it is: Some smart LW poster once noted (I can't find the link now) that for anthropics all is needed is an agent that can do a Bayesian update conditioned on its own existence. An agent that can do this does not necessarily have consciousness under any reasonable definition of consciousness.

Comment author: Psy-Kosh 12 December 2009 03:43:10PM 1 point [-]

I think the point Nick Tarleton was getting at was that you might BE one of those "joke interpretations" of a rock. So, combine that with any sort of decision theory that can handle Newcomblike problems...