Morendil comments on Open Thread: December 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Morendil 02 December 2009 07:47:15PM -2 points [-]

You seem to be generalizing from fictional evidence, which is frowned upon here, and may explain the downvote (assuming people inferred the longer version from your initial question).

Comment author: bgrah449 02 December 2009 08:24:07PM 2 points [-]

That post (which was interesting and informative - thanks for the link) was about using stories as evidence for use in predicting the actual future, whereas my question is about whether these fictional stories are examples of a general conceptual framework. If I asked if Prisoner's Dilemma was a special case of Newcomb's, I don't think you'd say, "We don't like generalizing from fictional evidence."

Which leads, ironically, to the conclusion that my error was generalizing from evidence which wasn't sufficiently fictional.

Comment author: Morendil 02 December 2009 09:04:54PM 1 point [-]

Perhaps I jumped to conclusions. Downvotes aren't accompanied with explanations, and groping for one that might fit I happened to remember the linked post. More PC than supposing you were dinged just for a religious allusion. (The Peter reference at least required no further effort on my part to classify as fictional; I had to fact-check the Napoleon story, which was an annoyance.)

It still seems the stories you're evoking bear no close relation to Newcomb's as I understand it.

Comment author: gwern 03 December 2009 01:07:10AM 0 points [-]

fictional evidence

I have heard of real drugs & poisons which induce vomiting at high doses and so make it hard to kill oneself; but unfortunately I can't seem to remember any cases. (Except for one attempt to commit suicide using modafinil, which gave the woman so severe a headache she couldn't swallow any more; and apparently LSD has such a high LD-50 that you can't even hurt yourself before getting high.)