JustinShovelain comments on Intuitive supergoal uncertainty - Less Wrong

4 Post author: JustinShovelain 04 December 2009 05:21AM

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Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 04 December 2009 06:05:51PM *  0 points [-]

this post seems incredibly dense and convoluted. I literally do not know what you're talking about

That was not my experience. I understood everything in the first five paragraphs without having to reflect or even read a second time except that I did have to reflect for a few minutes on the last sentence of paragraph four. Although I am still less confident that I know what Justin intended there than I am with the other sentences, I am 72% confident I know. I think he meant that even if we are not religious, society tends to pull us into moral realism even though of course moral realism is an illusion. (Time constraints prevent me from reading the rest now.)

Defining "supergoal uncertainty" would be a necessary step

Oh, he did that. And the definition was quite clear to me on first reading, but then I have done a lot of math, and a lot of math in which I attempt my own definitions.

Comment author: JustinShovelain 05 December 2009 02:09:29AM *  0 points [-]

I think he meant that even if we are not religious, society tends to pull us into moral realism even though of course moral realism is an illusion.

You are correct, though I don't go as far as calling moral realism an illusion because of unknown unknowns (though I would be very surprised to find it isn't illusionary).