Technologos comments on Fundamentally Flawed, or Fast and Frugal? - Less Wrong

41 Post author: Kaj_Sotala 20 December 2009 03:10PM

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 21 December 2009 07:35:12PM *  0 points [-]

I believe you are confused, but can't pinpoint on the first look in what way exactly. V is not "threshold of utility", it is a random variable of the same kind as X. I don't see what you mean by setting V to be normally distributed and U(x)=x, given that by construction they determine each other by the rule Pr(x>V)=u(x). If you redefine the concepts, you should do so more clearly.

Comment author: Technologos 21 December 2009 07:48:11PM 0 points [-]

If the decision agent is trying to maximize the probability of its utility being greater than a draw from the random variable V (where V is specified in utility) then it is trying to maximize the probability of being above some (yet-unknown) threshold value, no?

The departure from your model that I was clarifying (unsuccessfully) in the last comment was for V to be a random variable not of utility but of money, distributed normally in this example. U(x) = x is the utility function for the EU-maxing agent, because when V is specified in money, the satisficing agent no longer needs to worry about utility.

The rule you gave is only true when the satisficer defines the threshold level in terms of utility.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 21 December 2009 07:57:03PM 1 point [-]

No luck. You should write everything in math, specifying types (domains/codomains) of all functions/random variables. It'll really be easier, and the confusion (mine or yours) will be instantly resolved.

Comment author: Technologos 21 December 2009 08:34:11PM 0 points [-]

Also, thanks for posting the original comment--it's actually useful to some research I'm doing, now that I actually understand it!

Comment author: Technologos 21 December 2009 08:31:03PM 0 points [-]

Ah, I think I found it. I took V to have a codomain in utilons in your example (that was my interpretation of "V is a random variable that depends only on u").

Reinterpreting the subsequent comments in that context, I can see that I was responding to "formally equivalent" in the original comment as if it meant "expected utility maximization of the traditional sort, where each outcome x is itself assigned a value by a function on x that does not involve V, will produce the same decisions as satisficing of the type described under these conditions."

Interestingly, the latter may be true if V did have a codomain in utilons (or at least, I was unable to come up with a consistent counterexample).