Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on If reason told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 21 December 2009 05:27:55AM 3 points [-]

Read through the sequences, dammit.

Comment author: mattnewport 21 December 2009 05:31:14AM 15 points [-]

Indeed. Maybe start with Rationality is Systematized Winning. Giving a few examples of people failing at rationality is not an effective criticism of rationality.

Taleb's books are interesting and he makes quite a few good points but the man has a lot of flaws. Eric Falkenstein sums up the case against him quite well.

Comment author: Technologos 21 December 2009 10:57:36AM 1 point [-]

I maintain that, of all the paradigm-altering and life-improving concepts I've gained from the sequences, the one derived from that post was the most important.

Literally nothing else we do here makes sense without it.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 21 December 2009 06:16:10AM *  1 point [-]

And I'm voting this up, for the same reasons.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 21 December 2009 06:11:12AM *  16 points [-]

I'm voting this down because you so often respond to people with something like "Read the sequences" without deigning to mention any specific problems. That's high-handed and cult-leader-like. It's also unhelpful to someone even if they take your advice and read the sequences, because they're not likely to figure out the connections between them and what they said in their post.

At the very least, recommending one specific post to read would a great improvement.

Comment author: MrHen 22 December 2009 06:56:46PM 3 points [-]

I upvoted EY's comment, but very much agree with your comment. I am still plugging through the sequences and appreciate the, "This was answered, dummy." response, but I prefer, "This was answered over here, dummy."

In terms of actually increasing rationality in other people, getting short with them is probably counter-productive. But I get the frustration of dealing with noobs like me. I prefer the harshness because the feedback is clearer but I imagine that not everyone is like me.

Comment author: wedrifid 21 December 2009 06:20:44AM *  3 points [-]

Downvoted the parent (I have no doubt someone will rectify the temporary negative total). I hate high handed behaviour and so crying wolf over cult like high handedness is an instrumental detriment to me.

It's also unhelpful to someone even if they take your advice and read the sequences, because they're not terribly likely to figure out the connections between them and what they said in their post.

I would have upvoted if the expressed reasoning was "Downvoted for not providing the necessary reference to the sequence that would make the confusion obvious. It would not be hard for you to find the link matthew found and leaving it off is presumptive and makes you look kinda like a tool."

(ETA: Good change. Vote now neutral.)