MatthewB comments on If reason told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MatthewB 24 December 2009 08:21:28PM *  0 points [-]

Maybe someone could clear this up a bit for me, but...

I had always thought that reason was a method of formalized thinking that weighed evidence and logic in coming to the most likely or most preferable conclusion.

Whereas...

Rationality is reasoning within a formal system, and following the consequences of the beliefs of that formal system.

I realize that my attempt to define these two terms is probably flawed to a degree, but I am still new at much of the terminology.

Edit: is there some form of coding by which I might use italics, bold, underlining, quoting, links, etc.? I see that others have used these, yet the norms for these styles don't seem to work here.

Comment author: Alicorn 24 December 2009 08:35:17PM *  1 point [-]

Click the "help" link that appears when you compose a comment to get a style guide. It'll tell you how to do bold, italics, links, etc.

Comment author: MatthewB 24 December 2009 09:29:08PM 0 points [-]

Click the "help" link that appears when you compose a comment to get a style guide. It'll tell you how to do bold, italics, links, etc.

Like this?

Thanks much. That will help a lot, as I tend to be a stickler for style (I also appreciate the heads-up on my rather embarrassing reliance upon the word selection software that caused a few gaffs earlier)

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 24 December 2009 08:32:40PM 1 point [-]
Comment author: MatthewB 24 December 2009 09:26:19PM 0 points [-]

Thank you (much).

I do have to say that for one who claims to have a hard time writing, you are as prolific as one who claims to have no problem writing (now, as to what you mean by this, it may be up to a definition of goals of the writing).

The differences between Epistemic and Instrumental Rationality helped a great deal.

In my discussions with Steve Omohundro about Rationality, I get the feeling that he tends to think of rationality in the Instrumental sense. So, I have had a tendency to lean more toward this definition, even though I have often felt that I should be more inclusive of the epistemic type.

This leaves the question of defining Reason. Following what I have read, reason is just a toolbox (with many tools inside) to allow us to make rational decisions.

Is that correct? (note: I have not yet read all of the "Map and the Territory". That's a lotta words in that link, and it will take me some time to get through them all)