NancyLebovitz comments on Karma Changes - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 18 June 2010 08:01:23PM *  4 points [-]

I would actually kind of like it if it did cost karma to downvote. It would mean something to me when I downvoted a post that was irrational or in my judgment out of line socially.

What would be even better is if it were possible to downvote comments multiple times at an exponentially increasing cost. There are some comments that are in such contrast to my preferences that I would be willing to spend 63 votes (1+2+4+8+16+32) to down-vote 6 times. This would sometimes reduce the need to do 'costly signaling' in the form of comments with strongly assertive and direct criticisms.

I can imagine myself thinking "No, that is blatant bullshit but I know if I call you on it you will throw more bullshit and drag me in to your drama. I am willing to pay 31 karma to discourage the bullshit without the (minor) physiological and psychological stress of engaging in futile social conflict with unreasonable people."

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 18 June 2010 08:16:32PM 2 points [-]

That's just considering the effects of you having the awesome exponential downvote power. Would LW look much different if everyone had it?

It seems to me that the current system works pretty well. In general, posts at -2 aren't worth reading, and there isn't much drama associated with downvoting.

Comment author: Blueberry 18 June 2010 10:13:36PM 3 points [-]

Would LW look much different if everyone had it?

I think so. Consider a controversial post that three people really love and three people really hate. It would be at 0 without the exponential downvote power, but very negative with it. The effect would be to make LW blander by silencing posts that offend a small number of people.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 June 2010 10:58:05PM 1 point [-]

Consider a controversial post that three people really love and three people really hate. It would be at 0 without the exponential downvote power, but very negative with it. The effect would be to make LW blander by silencing posts that offend a small number of people.

A good point. Any system in which increasingly costly downvotes were allowed would have to allow an analogous system for giving extra upvotes at a price too.

It would be at 0 without the exponential downvote power,

That phrasing makes it sound like the downvotes are increasing exponentially with cost, not the reverse.

Comment author: Blueberry 18 June 2010 11:47:16PM 3 points [-]

I guess we should call it a logarithmic downvote power, then.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 June 2010 10:01:14PM 0 points [-]

That's just considering the effects of you having the awesome exponential downvote power. Would LW look much different if everyone had it?

I was considering the general case. It is definitely hard to predict what the outcome would be. My hunch - once people adapted it would barely make any difference.