Nick_Tarleton comments on The 9/11 Meta-Truther Conspiracy Theory - Less Wrong

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Comment author: roland 23 December 2009 08:03:48PM -2 points [-]

but then you just said "AFAIK the collapse pattern is not consistent with this claim", without providing anything to support your claim.

Well I understood the video to be supporting my claim. IIRC the study claimed that one central column was damaged and caused the collapse. IMHO this cannot explain how any building can collapse in basically free fall speed. Saying "it collapsed because of fire/structural damage/planes" is a zero information theory that can explain any outcome, therefore it is also unscientific because it cannot be falsified. It is the phlogiston theory of 911.

I don't understand how I'd be begging the question or committing the mind projection fallacy in this.

The whole issue of the dispute is how to explain the collapse of the buildings. If you say "we have scientific research that explains it" well, you are begging the question. And you are also projecting your mind because all you know is that there is a paper written by some people who claim to provide a scientific explanation of the collapse. That doesn't mean that the paper really is a scientific explanation. Again, that is exactly the point being disputed.

You could as well say "The 911 commission has scientifically explained it all, no need for further discussion."

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 23 December 2009 08:26:50PM *  2 points [-]

Saying "it collapsed because of fire/structural damage/planes" is a zero information theory that can explain any outcome, therefore it is also unscientific because it cannot be falsified.

Bzzt. The hypotheses are capable of explaining different counterfactual outcomes: if you could repeat the experiment (so to speak) with structural damage but no fire, with fire but no structural damage, or with planes and all their effects but a certainty of no explosives, you might falsify some. In any case, you obviously know that the "official story" includes far deeper theories:

IIRC the study claimed that one central column was damaged and caused the collapse.