Kaj_Sotala comments on The 9/11 Meta-Truther Conspiracy Theory - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 23 December 2009 08:31:50PM 2 points [-]

Well I understood the video to be supporting my claim. IIRC the study claimed that one central column was damaged and caused the collapse. IMHO this cannot explain how any building can collapse in basically free fall speed

The video shows that the building collapses. You didn't previously say that it was just one column that was damaged, only that there was "structural damage". Damage to just one column causing such a collapse does sound a bit counter-intuitive, but then it would be hardly the first thing in physics that would be a bit counter-intuitive. And if you only specify "structural damage", as you originally did, then it certainly isn't obvious that structural damage couldn't cause such a collapse, so the video didn't support your original claim.

Saying "it collapsed because of fire/structural damage/planes" is a zero information theory that can explain any outcome, therefore it is also unscientific because it cannot be falsified.

It can be falsified: by showing that sufficient structural damage couldn't have been caused by the conditions surrounding the collapse.

The whole issue of the dispute is how to explain the collapse of the buildings. If you say "we have scientific research that explains it" well, you are begging the question. And you are also projecting your mind because all you know is that there is a paper written by some people who claim to provide a scientific explanation of the collapse.

Umm. You were the one who brought up the study, which you said provided an explanation. Not me. If somebody uses the word "study" in such a context, I'm going to assume that it was a scientific one unless there's reason to assume otherwise.

Sure, the paper might only claim to be scientific, even though it's actually written by people who don't understand the science involved, or even by people who are purposefully misleading others. But if you're going to claim something like that, you need to back it up. You still haven't provided any evidence for why the study would actually be flawed or unscientific, other than stating that you don't know how damage to a single column could cause such a collapse. You say the science of the paper is the very thing being disputed, but you haven't said anything to make people believe that there is a valid dispute in the first place.