Nick_Tarleton comments on On the Power of Intelligence and Rationality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 23 December 2009 07:54:55PM *  6 points [-]

It seems to me that many of the objections here miss the point of the post — at least, it certainly isn't about rational argument not working on non-rationalists. (Though at least the last paragraph here seems correct and germane.) Tom, would this be a fair summary?

From e.g. the Nazis, we see that rationality is not necessary to win (in some important sense) when you have the right narrow skills and/or luck; and since (at least stereotypically) many of these skills are hard to develop or substitute for using rationality, it's not sufficient either. We should be skeptical of claims that sincere Bayesian wannabes have a justified high expectation of overwhelming general real-world success.

Comment author: alyssavance 23 December 2009 08:32:40PM 2 points [-]

Yes, precisely.

Comment author: MatthewB 25 December 2009 03:27:12AM 1 point [-]

One needn't go back to the Nazis to find an example of irrational rulers. Our previous POTUS was one irrational guy, and even though he may have surrounded himself with some high grade advisers (They all came from the cream of the crop of ivy league schools and all that money could buy) to make it seem as if he was well guided and informed; he was still amidst a swirl of some of the most irrational claims and actions in recent history.

This isn't even addressing the rise in things like Creationism, and Homeopathy (which I notice are frequent topics of irrationality discussed on the blog) that seem to have taken hold among the population here

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 25 December 2009 03:39:03AM 14 points [-]

We discuss homeopathy only in tiny amounts.

Comment author: MatthewB 25 December 2009 03:58:05AM 2 points [-]

As well it should be (discussed in tiny amounts... Doh!) Otherwise, it wouldn't work.