djcb comments on That other kind of status - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 29 December 2009 05:56:24PM *  4 points [-]

Trolling might be a junkfood equivalent of seeking status.

Does real status have to include material rewards, or is just making other people feel bad enough?

Actually, that could explain the junkfood nature of trolling. In most of human experience, being able to hurt people without risk of retaliation is proof of status.

Comment author: djcb 30 December 2009 12:17:22AM *  1 point [-]

That's an interesting way to look at it, but aren't trolls usually (semi-)anonymous? It's hard to gain status that way. People with highly controversial opinions that aren't anonymous usually consider themselves to be contrarians rather than trolls,or?

Using the Wikipedia definition of (social) status:

the honor or prestige attached to one's position in society (one's social position).

I think we'd need a different word for the thing trolls and other pyromaniacs are seeking.

(edit: s/Wiki/Wikipedia/, small clarification in third line)

Comment author: CronoDAS 30 December 2009 02:47:29AM 2 points [-]

We could call them "lulz".

Anyway, I don't know why trolling is fun, but it is.

Comment author: kpreid 30 December 2009 02:05:23AM 2 points [-]

Wikipedia has that definition. “Wiki” is a category of software, and does not. Please don't confuse the two.

Comment author: Bo102010 30 December 2009 02:51:07AM *  0 points [-]

I think I disagree with your rebuke. I see "Wiki definition" as similar to Stephen Colbert's wikiality concept.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 30 December 2009 04:16:01AM 1 point [-]

I could see using "wiki definition" (without the capital "W") to mean a definition with too many anonymous authors to be useful. But djcb evidently didn't mean it that way.

Comment author: orthonormal 30 December 2009 02:43:27AM 1 point [-]

ISTM that people feel "freedom from retribution" on a visceral level, but not the "pseudonymous status doesn't count" concept. It's outside the scope of the ancestral environment, so we shouldn't expect our emotions to be fully coherent here.