RolfAndreassen comments on New Year's Predictions Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RolfAndreassen 31 December 2009 08:43:28PM 9 points [-]
  • A US state will secede (30%).

I will take a bet on this, if you like. Also, did you perhaps mean "attempt to secede", or are you predicting actual success? I'll take the bet either way.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 05 January 2010 05:50:51AM 1 point [-]
Comment author: LucasSloan 05 January 2010 06:25:15AM 1 point [-]

Perhaps a vote goes through the state legislature in favor of secession?

Comment author: mattnewport 06 January 2010 07:35:21AM 0 points [-]

On further reflection I think I need to revise my estimate down somewhat. Thinking on it further my 30% estimate is conditional on general trends that I think are more likely than not to occur but I did not correctly incorporate them into the estimate for secession. I think 10-15% is probably a better estimate taking that into account.

I think the political pressure for secession will stem from an extended period of economic weakness in the US and widespread fiscal crises in states like California and New York. If, as seems likely, federal aid is seen to go disproportionately to certain states that have the most troubled finances then the states that feel they are losing out will begin to see secession as an attractive option. My original estimate did not sufficiently account for the possibility that I am wrong about the economic troubles ahead however.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 06 January 2010 11:18:10PM 0 points [-]

I would still be willing to take a bet at these odds, given some reasonably clear-cut definition of "attempt to secede".

Comment author: mattnewport 06 January 2010 11:40:47PM 1 point [-]

I think we could probably hammer out a mutually agreeable definition but the decade time frame for a pay out makes a bet on this impractical I feel. I'm reasonably comfortable making a bet to be settled next January but a bet to be settled in 2020 doesn't seem practical through an agreement on a forum.