Alexei comments on Are wireheads happy? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: SilasBarta 11 July 2011 04:39:39PM *  5 points [-]

Thanks for bringing that up. I've actually argued the opposite in the case of voting. Using timeless decision theory, you can justify voting (even without causing a bunch of people to go along with you) on the grounds that, if you would make this decision, the like-minded would reason the same way. (See my post "real-world newcomb-like problems".)

I think a crucial difference between the two cases is that non-pollution makes it even more profitable for others to pollute, which would make collective non-pollution (in the absence of a collective agreement) an unstable node. (For example, using less oil bids down the price and extends the scope of profitable uses.)

Comment author: Alexei 11 July 2011 11:48:30PM 2 points [-]

Oh, I see! I missed the key factor that by playing strategy NOT X (not polluting) you make strategy X (polluting) more favorable for others. And, of course, that doesn't apply to voting. This helps draw the line for what kind of problems you can use this reasoning. Thanks for clarifying!

Comment author: asr 21 January 2012 03:47:24AM 2 points [-]

It does apply to voting. The fewer the number of voters, the more valuable an individual vote is....