pdf23ds comments on Open Thread: January 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pdf23ds 03 January 2010 12:54:20AM 6 points [-]

If quantum immortality is correct, and assuming life extension technologies and uploading are delayed for a long time, wouldn't each of us, in our main worldline, become more and more decrepit and injured as time goes on, until living would be terribly and constantly painful, with no hope of escape?

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 07 January 2010 03:31:55AM 3 points [-]

I present for your consideration a delightful quote, courtesy of a discussion on another site:

The Sibyl of Cumae, who led Aeneas on his journey to the underworld, for which he collected the Golden Bough, was the most famous prophetess of the ancient world. Beloved of Apollo, she was given anything she might desire. She asked for eternal life. Sadly, Apollo granted her wish, for she had forgotten to ask for eternal youth. Now dried, dessicated, and shrunken, she is carried in a cricket cage, and when the boys ask her what she desires, she says: "I want to die."

I think the moral of the story is: stay healthy and able-bodied as much as possible. If, at some point, you should find yourself surviving far beyond what would be reasonably expected, it might be wise to attempt some strategic quantum suicide reality editing while you still have the capacity to do so...

Comment author: Alicorn 03 January 2010 12:55:58AM 4 points [-]

We frequently become unconscious (sleep) in our threads of experience. There is no obvious reason we couldn't fall comatose after becoming sufficiently battered.

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Comment author: orthonormal 03 January 2010 06:55:51PM *  4 points [-]

A superhuman intelligence that understood the nature of human consciousness and subjective experience would presumably know whether QI was correct, incorrect, or somehow a wrong question. Consciousness and experience all happen within physics, they just currently confuse the hell out of us.

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Comment author: orthonormal 04 January 2010 05:10:37AM 1 point [-]

Neat paper!

Comment author: pdf23ds 05 January 2010 11:14:46PM -1 points [-]

As I understand it, it makes a prediction about your future experience (and the MWI measure of that experience)--not dying. Is that not falsifiable? I suppose you could argue that it's a logical and inescapable consequence of MWI, and not in itself falsifiable, but that doesn't seem like an important distinction.

I don't see how Tegmark's paper is relevant to this question.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 January 2010 04:01:35AM 2 points [-]

"The author recommends that anyone reading this story sign up with Alcor or the Cryonics Institute to have their brain preserved after death for later revival under controlled conditions."

(From a little story which assumes QTI.)

Comment author: rwallace 03 January 2010 02:43:53AM 1 point [-]

Even supposing this unpleasant scenario is true, it is not hopeless. There are things we can do to improve matters. The timescale to develop life extension and uploading is not a prior constant; we can work to speed it up, and we should be doing this anyway. And we can sign up for cryonics to obtain a better alternative worldline.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 03 January 2010 03:57:16AM *  0 points [-]

Not if, as is at least conceivable*, enough Friendly superintelligences model the past and reconstruct people from it that eventually most of your measure comes from them. (Or other, mostly less pleasant but seemingly much less likely possibilities.)

* It actually seems a lot more than "at least conceivable" to me, but I trust this seeming very little, since the idea is so comforting.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 January 2010 04:01:06AM 0 points [-]

That requires a double assumption about not just quantum immortality, but about "subjective measure / what happens next" continuing into all copies of a computation, rather than just the local causal future of a computation.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 03 January 2010 04:05:47AM *  0 points [-]

Right, MWI has a different causal structure than other multiverses and quantum immortality is a distinct case of, call it 'modal-realist immortality'. I do tend to forget that.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 January 2010 04:26:54AM 0 points [-]

Sorry, could you repeat that? Both clauses?