AngryParsley comments on Open Thread: January 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 04 January 2010 05:39:56AM *  3 points [-]

P(A)*P(B|A) = P(B)*P(A|B). Therefore, P(A|B) = P(A)*P(B|A) / P(B). Therefore, woe is you should you assign a probability of 0 to B, only for B to actually happen later on; P(A|B) would include a division by 0.

Once upon a time, there was a Bayesian named Rho. Rho had such good eyesight that she could see the exact location of a single point. Disaster struck, however, when Rho accidentally threw a dart, its shaft so thin that its intersection with a perfect dartboard would be a single point, at a perfect dartboard. You see, when you randomly select a point from a region, the probability of selecting each point is 0. Nonetheless, a point was selected, and Rho saw which point it was; an event of probability 0 occurred. As Peter de Blanc said, Rho instantly fell to the very bottom layer of Bayesian hell.

Or did she?

Comment author: orthonormal 04 January 2010 05:46:43AM 1 point [-]

Don't worry, the mathematicians have already covered this.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 04 January 2010 07:53:20AM 0 points [-]

There are mathematicians who have rejected the idea of the real number line being made of points, perhaps for reasons like this. I don't recall who, but pointless topology mght be relevant.

Comment author: Technologos 04 January 2010 08:49:38AM 1 point [-]

My understanding is that such a story relies on trying to define the area of a point when only areas of regions are well-defined; the probability of the point case is just the limit of the probability of the region case, in which case there is technically no zero probability involved.

Comment author: Larks 11 January 2010 11:45:31PM 0 points [-]

Is pointless topology ever relevant?

Comment author: Christian_Szegedy 11 January 2010 11:57:03PM 0 points [-]

Yes, it is relevant to algebraic geometry, which is important for the treatment of down-to-earth problems in number theory.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 12 January 2010 03:01:50AM 0 points [-]

Is pointless topology ever relevant?

Yes, it is relevant to algebraic geometry, which is important for the treatment of down-to-earth problems in number theory.

I think you're confusing topos theory with pointless topology. The latter is a fragment of the former and a different fragment is used in algebraic geometry. As I understand it, the main point of pointless topology is to rephrase arguments to avoid the use of the axiom of choice (which is needed to choose points). That is certainly a noble goal and relevant to down-to-earth problems, but not so many in number theory.