GuySrinivasan comments on Open Thread: January 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Alicorn 19 January 2010 12:33:58AM *  1 point [-]

I think your phrasing of your question is confusing. Are you asking for help putting yourself into a mindset conducive to learning and developing rationality skills?

Comment author: CassandraR 19 January 2010 12:57:02AM 0 points [-]

Let me see if I can be more clear. In my experience I have an emotional framework with which I hang beliefs from. Each belief has specific emotional reinforcement or structure that allows me to believe it. If I revoke that reinforcement then very soon after I find that I no longer hold that belief. I guess the question I should ask first is that is this emotional framework real? Did I make it up? And it is real then how can I use it to my advantage?

How did I build this framework and how do I revoke emotional support? I have good reason to think that the framework isn't simply natural to me since it has changed so much over time.

Comment author: GuySrinivasan 19 January 2010 01:14:00AM 3 points [-]

One technique I use to internalize certain beliefs is to determine their implied actions, then take those actions while noting that they're the sort of actions I'd take if I "truly" believed. Over time the belief becomes internal and not something I have to recompute every time a related decision comes up. I don't know precisely why this works but my theory is that it has to do with what I perceive my identity to be. Often this process exposes other actions I take which are not in line with the belief. I've used this for things like "animal suffering is actually bad", "FAI is actually important", and "I actually need to practice to write good UIs".

Comment author: CassandraR 19 January 2010 01:31:28AM *  1 point [-]

This is similar to my experience. Perhaps a better way to express my problem is this. What are the some safe and effective way to construct and dismantle identity? And what sorts of identity are most able to incorporate new information and process them into rational beliefs? One strategy I have used in the past is to simply not claim ownership of any belief so that I might release it more easily but in this I run into a lack of motivation when I try to act on these beliefs. On the other hand if I define my identity based on a set of beliefs then any threat to them is extremely painful.

That was my original question, how can I build an identity or cognitive foundation that motivates me but is not painfully threatened by counter evidence?

Comment author: orthonormal 19 January 2010 05:37:31AM 2 points [-]

The litany of Tarski and the litany of Gendlin exemplify a pretty good attitude to cultivate. (Check out the posts linked in the Litany of Gendlin wiki article; they're quite relevant too. After that, the sequence on How to Actually Change Your Mind contains still more helpful analysis and advice.)

This can be one of the toughest hurdles for aspiring rationalists. I want to emphasize that it's OK and normal to have trouble with this, that you don't have to get everything right on the first try (and to watch out if you think you do), and that eventually the world will start making sense again and you'll see it was well worth the struggle.