Nominull comments on A Suite of Pragmatic Considerations in Favor of Niceness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 06 January 2010 12:50:17AM 25 points [-]

It helps you hold off on proposing diagnoses. As tempting as it may be to dismiss people as crazy or stupid, this is a dangerous label for us biased creatures. Fewer people than you are tempted to call these things are genuinely worth writing off as thoroughly as this kind of name-calling may tempt you to do.

Yes, this parallels why I've been finding hostility in argument increasingly disturbing lately. Insofar as people are rational and honest, they should expect to agree on questions of simple fact, and insofar as they differ on questions of value, then surely they should be able to reach some sort of game-theoretic compromise superior to the default outcome. If you can anticipate disagreeing even after extended interaction, something has gone horribly wrong. I read people's snarky swipes at the psychological motivations of their opponents, and it almost hurts---don't they see the symmetries of the situation? Instead of rushing to call the other mad, why don't they just jump to the meta level and ask, What do I (think I) know that they don't? What do they (think they) know that I don't?

Really, it should all be so simple. Figure out what questions you want to investigate, and update your model of the world based on incoming evidence, including the arguments of others. If you end up disagreeing with someone, just say: I think you're mistaken about these-and-such specific issues because of such-and-these specific reasons. That's it. That's all you have to do. Anger and indignation aren't helping you acquire the map that reflects the territory, so what would be the point?

I suppose I've lost a little bit of my humanity along the Way. What could be more traditionally wholesome than a delicious bout of righteous anger? But on reflection ... it's just not worth it. The sanctity of my map is too important. I'll get my kicks some other way.

Comment author: Nominull 06 January 2010 07:06:35AM 2 points [-]

It's probably a bad idea to get so caught up in trappings of rationality that you lose your ability to empathize with humans and understand why, for example, they have pointless arguments.

Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 06 January 2010 07:44:08AM 4 points [-]

You give me far too much credit.