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Take it easy.
Thanks for your supporting comment Vladimir. It's just that I feel I've been downvoted quite often recently(feel free to read through my recent comments and see for yourself) and honestly I don't think many of those are justified. If you think otherwise I'm all ears. I simply don't know how to express myself other than the way I did(refering to my venting off). I was thinking about writing a top level post about this issue but I'm not sure if I want to play this game.
The recently downvoted posts I see begin with "I'm not going to read all of your post, but", "I'll be the judge of that." and "Fuck you". I don't think it's very surprising those have been downvoted. Consider whether other people are likely to feel you've added something useful to the discussion when you post and you'll probably avoid the downvotes. If you just feel the need to vent occasionally then accept the karma hit as the price for your satisfaction.
Can you be more specific, except regarding the "Fuck you" comment?
My view:
"I'm not going to read all of your post, but"
I had already read a considerable part of the post, commented once and read other comments. Based on what I had already read and understood I just decided I didn't want to read more of the post(I think this is my right) but since I had already thought about what I read and the other replies considerably I nevertheless decided to comment based on the information I had. I could have made that very same comment without mentioning the fact that I didn't (intend) to read the whole thing but I decided to be honest about the state of my knowledge so I added that in. So from my perspective I'm being penalized for honest self disclosure.
"I'll be the judge of that." Was given as an answer to someone suggesting how I should use my time. I still don't see where I'm wrong with that.
I'm all ears to hear your point of view.
I downvoted all three.
In the first case, my downvote had nothing to do with whether you'd read the entire article or not. It had to do with your apparent lack of understanding of the purpose of the site. You came very close to suggesting that rationality and irrationality are subjective, and essentially indicated that you think rationality shouldn't be valued as highly as is the norm here. The comments about other posters' rationality seemed inappropriate, too: We're here to learn to be more rational, and all of us have areas of irrationality to work on.
The downvote in the second case was based primarily on tone: Morendil offered what appears to me to be a suggestion on how to avoid being downvoted in the future (I'll grant that it's not the best advice that could have been given, but it seems to me to have been given in good faith if nothing else), and you responded in a way that looks both defensive and status-oriented to me, without actually adding any useful information. Such reactions are rarely useful, especially here. If you'd stated your disagreement in a way that opened the issue up for discussion, rather than apparently trying to end the conversation by asserting dominance, I wouldn't've downvoted you. In fact, I may even have upvoted in that case; I like to see good discussions of our group norms - at least, the norms that don't define the group.
Please don't; make it an Open (or Meta) Thread comment instead.
Don't discount random chance plus miscommunication plus priming.
You've been downvoted quite often recently when making a post that says "I espouse a 9/11 conspiracy theory, here is my evidence and argument". I think we both know why that is, whether or not it's "justified".
On this top-level comment, regardless of what you thought you were saying by "I'm not going to read all of your post, but", it's very plausible you communicated "I'm going to pull a typical internet-poster and not read what you have to say, now you listen to me:" to a reader. A single initial downvote makes it far more likely the next reader will interpret your statement in a negative light as well. etc etc