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Comment author: taw 08 January 2010 09:12:46PM 1 point [-]

So you're basically taking extreme version of position 3 from my list - rejecting outside view as very rarely applicable to anything. Am I right?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 08 January 2010 10:45:04PM *  14 points [-]

Works great when you're drawing from the same barrel as previous occasions. Project prediction, traffic forecasts, which way to drive to the airport... Predicting the far future from the past - you can't call that the Outside View and give it the privileges and respect of the Outside View. It's an attempt to reason by analogy, no more, no less.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 10 January 2010 04:32:24AM *  8 points [-]

I certainly do. It's my strong impression that so does almost everyone outside of the Less Wrong community and a majority of people in this community, so according to the outside view of majoritarianism I'm probably right.

Taleb's "The Black Swan" is basically a treatise on failures from uses of the outside view.

Comment author: komponisto 10 January 2010 04:59:01AM 8 points [-]

It sometimes seems to me that the issue of how much trust to accord outside views constitutes the primary factional division within this community, separating it into two groups that one might call the "Hansonians" and the "Yudkowskians" (with the former trusting outside views -- or distrusting inside views -- more than the latter).

I share Michael Vassar's impression about the statistical distribution of these viewpoints (I'm particularly expecting this to be the case among high-status community members) , but an actual survey might be worth conducting.

Comment author: Unknowns 10 January 2010 06:20:11AM 1 point [-]

Of course there are a lot of failures from uses of the outside view. That is to be expected. The problem is that there are a lot more failures from uses of the inside view.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 12 January 2010 01:59:18AM 0 points [-]

Citation needed (for the general case).