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Comment author: Larks 10 January 2010 09:50:36PM -1 points [-]

None of those inventions were big enough to change our larger reference classes: flight didn't push up trend GDP growth, nuclear weapons didn't change international relations much (a country is more powerful in proportion to its GDP, spending on military and population), the end of the cold war didn't bring world peace. Rather, the long run trends like 3% growth and a gradual reduction in violence have continued. All the previous game-changers have ended up leaving the game largely unchanged, possibly because we adapt to them (like The Lucas critique). If all these inventions haven’t changed the fundamentals, we should be doubtful FAI or uploads will either.

In short: the outside view doesn’t say that unprecedented events won’t occur, but it does deny that they’ll have a big change.

A better counter-example might be the industrial revolution, but that’s hardly one event.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 12 January 2010 02:26:18AM *  8 points [-]

WTF?!? Nukes didn't change international relations? We HAVE world peace. No declarations of war, no total wars. Current occupations are different in kind from real wars.

Also, flight continued a trend in transport speeds which corresponded to continuing trends in GDP.

Comment author: Bo102010 12 January 2010 03:33:40AM 4 points [-]

"We HAVE world peace" - I get your meaning, but I think we should set our standards a bit higher for "peace."

Comment author: Larks 12 January 2010 11:57:38PM 0 points [-]

Compare now to Pax Britannia or Pax Romana. The general trend towards peace has continued, and there are still small wars. Also, I hardly think the absense of a declaration is particularly significant.

Exactly- flight continued a pre-existing trend; it didn't change history.