ciphergoth comments on Consciousness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 10 January 2010 03:20:38AM 0 points [-]

Do you disagree with any of this?

I certainly think about things differently:

1'. There is a world, which includes subjective experiences, and (presumably) things which are not subjective experiences.

2'. All information I have about the world, including the subjective experiences of other people, comes through my subjective experiences.

3'. I possess mathematical/physical theories which appear adequate to describe much of the posited world to varying degrees, but which do not refer to subjective experiences.

4'. Subjective experiences are causally consequential; they are affected by sensation and they affect behavior, among other things.

5'. The way the world actually is and the way the world actually works is a little more complicated than any theory I currently possess.

Comment author: ciphergoth 10 January 2010 11:47:50AM *  4 points [-]

Do you disagree with any of this?

I certainly think about things differently

This is really frustrating. When you ask questions of us who disagree with you, we tend to say "I don't think the question is well posed". But when we ask questions of you, you won't say yes, or no, or explicitly reject the question - you just return to your own questions. If you don't think the questions you're being asked are well-posed enough to answer, could you say more about why? Otherwise we're not engaging, we're just talking past each other.

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 11 January 2010 07:37:48AM 1 point [-]

It can take a long time to say what the problem is. I just spent several hours trying to do this in Dan's case, and I'm not sure I succeeded. The questions aren't ill-posed, but the whole starting point was problematic. In effect I wanted to demonstrate the possibility of an alternative starting point. Dan managed to respond, and now I to that, and even this comment of yours contributed, but it took a lot of time and consideration of context even to produce an imperfect further reply. It's a tradeoff between responding adequately and responding promptly. There's been an improvement in communication since last time, but it can still get better.