pdf23ds comments on Savulescu: "Genetically enhance humanity or face extinction" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pdf23ds 12 January 2010 08:36:25AM *  0 points [-]

Of course it isn't "objective" or absolute. I already disclaimed moral realism (by granting arguendo the validity of the linked thesis). Why does it follow that you "can't see how to build a useful model of 'moral progress'"? Must any model of moral progress be universal?

Comment author: ciphergoth 12 January 2010 08:52:25AM 0 points [-]

If you're talking about progress relative to my values, then absolutely there has been huge progress.

Comment author: pdf23ds 12 January 2010 08:56:54AM 0 points [-]

I'm not talking specifically about that. Mainly what I'm wondering is what exactly motivated you to say "can't see how ..." in the first place. What makes a measure of progress that you choose (or is chosen based on some coherent subset of human moral values, etc.) somehow ... less valid? not worthy of being used? something else?

Comment author: ciphergoth 12 January 2010 11:56:50AM 0 points [-]

It's possible we're violently agreeing here. By my own moral standards, and by yours, there has definitely been moral progress. Since there are no "higher" moral standards against which ours can be compared, there's no way for my feelings about it to be found objectively wanting.