RichardKennaway comments on Savulescu: "Genetically enhance humanity or face extinction" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 12 January 2010 06:51:11PM *  1 point [-]

If there is one such optimum, and many systems eventually find it, moral realism would have a pretty good foundation.

Here is one proposed candidate for that optimum.

Comment author: timtyler 12 January 2010 07:24:17PM 0 points [-]

That link is to "C.S. Lewis's THE ABOLITION OF MAN".

Comment author: RichardKennaway 12 January 2010 09:14:07PM 0 points [-]

And I would be interested to know what people think of Lewis' Tao, and the arguments he makes for it.

Comment author: timtyler 12 January 2010 10:52:22PM 0 points [-]

Since:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis#Conversion_to_Christianity

...I figure there would need to be clearly-evident redeeming features for anyone here to bother.

Comment author: thomblake 12 January 2010 10:56:05PM 3 points [-]

Meh. If someone being a theist were enough reason to not bother reading their arguments, we wouldn't read much at all.

Comment author: timtyler 12 January 2010 11:23:54PM *  2 points [-]

You have to filter crap out somehow.

Using "christian nutjob" as one of my criteria usually seems to work pretty well for me. Doesn't everyone do that?

Comment author: Blueberry 14 January 2010 10:21:52PM -1 points [-]

C. S. Lewis is a Christian, but hardly a nutjob. I filter out Christian nutjobs, but not all Christians.

Comment author: ciphergoth 14 January 2010 11:05:51PM 1 point [-]

Except insofar as Christianity is a form of nutjobbery, of course.

Comment author: Blueberry 14 January 2010 11:32:01PM -2 points [-]

Well... yes and no. I wouldn't trust a Christian's ability to do good science, and I don't think a Christian could write an AI (unless the Christianity was purely cultural and ceremonial). But Christians can and do write brilliant articles and essays on non-scientific subjects, especially philosophy. Even though I disagree with much of it, I still appreciate C.S. Lewis or G. K. Chesterton's philosophical writing, and find it thought provoking.

Comment author: timtyler 15 January 2010 07:12:28AM 3 points [-]

In this case, the topic was moral realism. You think Christians have some worthwhile input on that? Aren't their views on the topic based on the idea of morality coming from God on tablets of stone?

Comment author: timtyler 15 January 2010 07:06:45AM 1 point [-]

Are there Christian non-nutjobs? It seems to me that Christianity poisons a person's whole world view - rendering them intellectually untrustworthy. If they believe that, they can believe anything.

Looking at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis#The_Christian_apologist

...there seems to be a fair quantity of nutjobbery to me.

Comment author: ciphergoth 12 January 2010 11:56:54PM 1 point [-]

You can't read everything; you have to collect evidence on what's going to be worth reading. A Christian on this sort of moral philosophy, I think that Lewis is often interesting but I plan to go to bed rather than read it, unless I get some extra evidence to push it the other way.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 13 January 2010 01:09:03AM 0 points [-]

FWIW, I recommend it.

AFAIR, that, the Narnia stories, and the Ransom trilogy are the only Lewis I've read. Are there others you have found interesting?