Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Normal Cryonics - Less Wrong

58 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 January 2010 07:08PM

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Comment author: Alicorn 26 January 2010 07:02:23AM 2 points [-]

hardware

No. I'm software. My preferences stand even if you hypothetically implement me in silico.

your utility function

No. Geez, can we drop the "utility functions" and all the other consequentialism debris for like a week sometime? It would be a welcome respite.

Why?

It's a terminal value. We have a convention of not having to answer "why" about those.

Comment author: komponisto 26 January 2010 06:22:42PM 0 points [-]

Geez, can we drop the "utility functions" and all the other consequentialism debris for like a week sometime? It would be a welcome respite.

Utility functions describe your preferences. Their existence doesn't presuppose consequentialism, I don't think.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 January 2010 06:37:50PM 1 point [-]

Utility functions are actually an extreme of consequentialism; they state that your actions should not just be based on consequences, but a weighted probability distribution over outcomes.

Comment author: komponisto 26 January 2010 06:47:56PM *  0 points [-]

In that case, how could you be said to have preferences about outcomes without being a consequentialist?

Comment author: thomblake 26 January 2010 07:06:46PM *  0 points [-]

Hmm... I think Eliezer might have overstated his case a little (for the lay audience). If you take a utility function to be normative with respect to your actions, it's not merely descriptive of your preferences, for some meanings of "preference" - not including, I would think, the definition Eliezer would use.

Using more ordinary language, a Kantian might have preferences about the outcomes of his actions, but doesn't think such preferences are the primary concern in what one ought to do.

Comment author: komponisto 26 January 2010 07:18:21PM 0 points [-]

Using more ordinary language, a Kantian might have preferences about the outcomes of his actions, but doesn't think such preferences are the primary concern in what one ought to do.

Oh. Well, that's not a distinction that seems terribly important to me. I'm happy to talk about "preferences" as being (necessarily) causally related to one's actions.