Nominull comments on Outline of a lower bound for consciousness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nominull 13 January 2010 09:00:44AM 0 points [-]

So if I understand correctly, your basic claim underlying all of this is that a system can be said not to be conscious if its set of beliefs remains equally valid when you switch the labels on some of the things it has beliefs about. I have a few concerns about this point, which you may have already considered, but which I would like to see addressed explicitly. I will post them as replies to this post.

If I am mischaracterizing your position, please let me know, and then my replies to this post can probably be ignored.

Comment author: Nominull 13 January 2010 09:00:53AM 1 point [-]

How can one grounding be falsifiable and another not, and the two groundings still be entirely indistinguishable? If there is a difference, shouldn't there be some difference? How would they flicker back and forth, as you say, like a Necker cube? Wouldn't there be some truth of the matter?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 13 January 2010 03:11:57PM 0 points [-]

I don't think they can. I wanted to accommodate people who believe that qualia are part of groundings, and that you would have a different grounding if you swapped the experience of blue with the experience of red, rather than argue about it.