Nominull comments on Outline of a lower bound for consciousness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nominull 13 January 2010 09:00:44AM 0 points [-]

So if I understand correctly, your basic claim underlying all of this is that a system can be said not to be conscious if its set of beliefs remains equally valid when you switch the labels on some of the things it has beliefs about. I have a few concerns about this point, which you may have already considered, but which I would like to see addressed explicitly. I will post them as replies to this post.

If I am mischaracterizing your position, please let me know, and then my replies to this post can probably be ignored.

Comment author: Nominull 13 January 2010 09:01:07AM 2 points [-]

What does this all mean physically? You talk about a symbolic reasoning system consisting of logic assertions and such, but any symbolic reasoning system ultimately has to be made out of atoms. How can I look at one lump of atoms and tell that it's a symbolic reasoning system, and another lump and tell that it's just random junk?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 13 January 2010 05:35:49PM *  0 points [-]

You can't, because you can interpret any system as a symbolic reasoning system. You don't need to ask whether a system is a symbolic reasoning system; you need to ask whether it's conscious.