PhilGoetz comments on Outline of a lower bound for consciousness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 13 January 2010 09:51:49PM *  1 point [-]

I can understand your worries. It doesn't actually say that you can prove a lack of consciousness; but that you can prove that, under certain conditions, the meaning of the concepts in the mind would be underdetermined; and argues that you don't need to treat such an entity as conscious.

A fuller treatment would talk about what parts of the mind are conscious, or which concepts are accessible to consciousness. I don't think consciousness is a 0/1 binary distinction for an entire brain.

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 14 January 2010 12:51:36AM *  1 point [-]

Too conservative?

How about, "further study is probably needed"?

(deleting comment, hopefully before google spiders it up)

Comment author: SilasBarta 14 January 2010 04:39:59AM 0 points [-]

Want me to delete mine?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 14 January 2010 03:46:37PM 0 points [-]

Okay. It seems innocuous to me, but when I imagine what would happen if Richard Dawkins had made the same joke online somewhere, deleting it seems like a good idea.

Comment author: MatthewB 13 January 2010 11:47:19PM 0 points [-]

Upon reading it again (and with some input from a friend who is a logician - he said that this is something that he said I should have been able to understand myself - and upon going over it with him again, I discovered he was right), I get that there is this distinction now.

I don't think consciousness is necessarily a binary distinction for any part of the brain, or any thing for that matter. This does mean that it could be 0/1, but that it is likely that most things capable of exhibiting conscious behavior lie between the two degrees.