MatthewB comments on Outline of a lower bound for consciousness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MatthewB 15 January 2010 02:14:56PM 1 point [-]

Something occurred to me while in a dream (and I nearly forgot to transition it to my waking consciousness).

In the post above, you seem to imply that consciousness is only to be applied to that part of our mind which is conscious, and not to that part of our mind of which we are not cognizant.

I would maintain that Consciousness still exists even without a conscious mind (at least as it seems to be applied above)... Case in point, my realization during a dream.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 07 February 2010 05:32:02PM 2 points [-]

A person dreaming is still Conscious (meaning they have subjective experience). They aren't "conscious" (meaning awake). These are completely different meanings that unfortunately share a word.

Comment author: Blueberry 15 January 2010 05:25:55PM 0 points [-]

Are you sure it was you who had the realization during the dream? Is it possible you just dreamed that you had one? Or that when you woke up, your mind reconstructed a narrative from the random fragments of your dream, and that narrative included having a realization?

Interesting questions... it's definitely possible for consciousness to flicker on and off. Marijuana and alcohol, for instance, can both have the effect of making time seem discrete instead of continuous, so you have flashes of awareness within an unconscious period.

I would maintain that Consciousness still exists even without a conscious mind

The other problem is distinguishing consciousness from the capability of consciousness. Without a conscious mind, you may be capable of consciousness, but it's not clear to me that you are in fact conscious.

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 16 January 2010 03:54:18AM 0 points [-]

On the subject of dreams... Yesterday I was swapping emails with a famous science-fiction writer and he sent me this interesting document. Then I woke up and I was ruing that it wasn't real - but then I found a printout of the correspondence from the dream, and I was like, wow, what does this say about reality? Then I woke up again.

Then this morning I was thinking back on yesterday's "false awakening" (as such events are called), while I browsed a chapter in a book about the same writer. Then I woke up again.